WhatsinaName_Transcript

Transcript from the first TL Virtual Cafe Webinar: What's in a Name

Joined on February 1, 2010 at 7:44 PM

Moderator (joycevalenza): i am going to tweet this

Moderator (Kim Caise): gwyneth, do you have a headset?

Moderator (Gwyneth): yes, and i hear lovely chirpy birds:-)

Moderator (Gwyneth): i went ahead and created a doodle poll with the library media specialist names du jour

Moderator (Gwyneth): and embeded it on the cafe wikipage

Mike Eisenberg: Hi all.

Lisa Layera Brunkan: G- absolutely!

Cassandra Barnett to Lisa: Mabe when things settle down

David Loertscher: Hi Joyce. Congrats on this.

Moderator (Kim Caise): awesome

Judi Moreillon: Great!

NancyW: I hear everyone loud and clear

Moderator (Gwyneth): we'll give you feedback Mike!

Moderator (Gwyneth): YAY!

Moderator (Gwyneth): no snow!

Moderator (Kim Caise): it was chilly and rainy here too in san antonio

Lisa Layera Brunkan: We can see the rain from here Mike

Moderator (Gwyneth): LOL

Moderator (Gwyneth): no puppets, please! or clowns!

Lisa Layera Brunkan: G don't egg him on!

Moderator (Gwyneth): i know! whouda thunk it!

Colet Bartow to Mike Eisenberg: You are da bomb!

Moderator (Gwyneth): [hides her eyes]

NancyW: lol!

Moderator (Gwyneth): awwwwww Hamsters are cute!

Moderator (Gwyneth): i dare you to have a Baltimore Crab!

Moderator (joycevalenza): very cool

Moderator (Gwyneth): OOhAhhhhhh!

AliceYucht: shouldn't the lens (not the frame) be rose-colored?

Lisa Layera Brunkan: Apparently Mike took the directive to 'play' seriously!

Ernie Cox: are there cocktails being served in here?

AliceYucht: What?no guitar too?

Moderator (joycevalenza): hi ernie

Jeanne Swedo: Isnt taylor swift appearing here?

Ernie Cox: hey - you're going to be in NC soon - see ya in Raleigh.

Frances Harris: I thought the pink color of the glasses was a nice touch

Moderator (joycevalenza): i like you now

Moderator (Gwyneth): LMAO

Moderator (Gwyneth): 32~

Moderator (joycevalenza): 32

Ernie Cox: 33

Moderator (joycevalenza): there's a number on the bottom

Moderator (Gwyneth): points to the total at the bottom

Ernie Cox: ha

Diane Cordell: Hi, guys! Just got in from Philly~

Moderator (Kim Caise): lol

Lisa Perez to Wendy Stephens 3: Hi Wendy...how are you?

Lisa Layera Brunkan: We all do!

Moderator (joycevalenza): impressive

Moderator (Kim Caise): at least to 30 you can

Ernie Cox: good demonstration of skills

Susanvg: 34 now

Moderator (Gwyneth): sends Ernie over a glass of Merlot

NancyW: Hi Diane! Glad you made it back from Educon in time!

Moderator (Kim Caise): hi susan!

Ernie Cox: merci Gwyneth

Moderator (Kim Caise): awwww how cute!

Wendy Stephens 3 to Lisa Perez: Hi Lisa -- I'm well! How are you?

Lisa Layera Brunkan: We're waiting for the Papatar

Ernie Cox: they are cute

Moderator (joycevalenza): right

Diane Cordell: Only person getting off the train in Ft. Edward, NY LOL

Ernie Cox: good to see you here Lisa

Jeanne Swedo: Mike you got anything special for California? We could use a laugh.

Lisa Layera Brunkan: Thanks Ernie good to be here with all of you

Moderator (joycevalenza): right

Ernie Cox: educon was great (in elluminate)

Moderator (Gwyneth): that's right!

Sara Kelly Johns: hi All

Moderator (joycevalenza): hey sara

Moderator (Gwyneth): Hi Sara!

Ernie Cox: hey Saray

Moderator (joycevalenza): hey susan

AliceYucht: We're up to 39 now

Moderator (joycevalenza): kim are you ready to record?

Carolyn Foote: Hello all! I'm in the room but am getting ready to eat dinner, then will join you.

Moderator (Kim Caise): i sure am!

Moderator (Gwyneth): @|http://tlvirtualcafe. wikispaces.com/

Ernie Cox: let's make sure to talk about the FY2011 fed budget

Moderator (joycevalenza): i've got the web tour going

Moderator (Kim Caise): @|http://tlvirtualcafe. wikispaces.com/

Moderator (joycevalenza): we will all look at them

Moderator (Kim Caise): http://tlvirtualcafe. wikispaces.com/Cafe_Poll_Du_ Jour

Moderator (Gwyneth): Thanks Kim!

Moderator (joycevalenza): shall we start?

Brent Mclaughlin: Brent from Melbourne Australia here. First time on elluminate. Im a teacher/educator

Moderator (Kim Caise): you are welcome!

Ernie Cox: welcome Brent

Moderator (Gwyneth): Welcome Brent!

Lisa Perez to Wendy Stephens 3: I'm doing pretty well. Laurie is still catching up after her trip, but we will think about how to do another round of TIA promotion soon. Your tweet makes it sound like you are pretty busy, too

Lisa Layera Brunkan: Brent hope you bring some Aussie flair to the room!

MB: Wow, what a great group!

Brent Mclaughlin: No worries mate. Will do :P

Wendy Stephens 3 to Lisa Perez: I have been busy -- we have a state deparment audit this week. I have responsibilities for libraries, technology, & some federal programs. That will be over Wednesday, hopefully.

Joquetta to Carl Harvey: Hi Carl

carolyng to Brenda Anderson: Hi Brenda - Carolyn

MB: Kim, echo...

Carl Harvey to Joquetta: Hi Jo!

Lisa Layera Brunkan: I'm suddenly getting an echo guys

AliceYucht: getting a lot of feedback

buffyjhamilton: Major echo

Sara Kelly Johns: me too

Karen Kliegman: echo

MB: Noise, JOyce

Moderator (Kim Caise): try again joyce

Moderator (Gwyneth): hmmmm

Moderator (Kim Caise): ok

buffyjhamilton: better

Ernie Cox: better

Moderator (Kim Caise): good

MB: perfect

Carolyn Foote: my husband asked if computer had just been abducted by aliens

Karen Kliegman: echo

Carolyn Foote: echo again

AliceYucht: oy. terrible noise

Lisa Layera Brunkan: echo again

Brent Mclaughlin: susan e mic is open

Karen Kliegman: can't understand

Karl Fisch: They're baaaaacccckkkkk

MB: Can't hear you, Joyce

Kelly Brannock: echo... echo

Lisa Layera Brunkan: gone

Moderator (Gwyneth): that's better!

AliceYucht: suddenly much better

Moderator (Gwyneth): YAY!

Karen Kliegman: what a great group

webinar: Donna here from Sacramento - sorry didn't register

Moderator (Gwyneth): Join us! Drink the Geek Koolaid!

Diane Cordell: Steve Hargadon now an honorary Geek Squad member!

Moderator (Mike Eisenberg): private message - I expect you to really speak up!

MB: You make me laugh, Gwyneth!

Moderator (Gwyneth): grins]

Moderator (Mike Eisenberg): Everyone!

Moderator (Kim Caise): http://teacherlibrarian.ning. com/

Moderator (Kim Caise): http://schoollibrarytapestry. ning.com/

MB: Thanks, Joyce

Moderator (Gwyneth): We need to ALL be our own Advocates!

Ernie Cox: we need this right now - point your Senators and Congressional Reps to that site -TODAY!

Sara to Kim Caise: thanks for the links!

MB: Hi, Mike

Lisa Layera Brunkan to Mike Eisenberg: Am I the bad cop today? You're strong in the velvet gloves- knock them dead!

Moderator (Mike Eisenberg): hey all!

congerjan: Love the wizard of app videos Joyce.

congerjan: Hi Mike.

Frances Harris: Hi Mike!

Moderator (Kim Caise): @|http://tlvirtualcafe. wikispaces.com/

Ernie Cox: we need a brand

MB: Goodness...that is a lot. Thanks, Mike

Diane Cordell: We need to self-promote more

Moderator (Gwyneth): if anyone has a question you can also IM me the question and i can be your emcee

Moderator (Kim Caise): yes we can

MB: Yes

Moderator (joycevalenza): yes

Moderator (Gwyneth): if you're too shy to ask it yourself [smiles]

Karen Kliegman: yes

Diane Cordell: Hi, Gwyneth :[)

Moderator (joycevalenza): i forgot to introduce gwyneth our moderator!!!!!

Moderator (joycevalenza): forgive me!!!!!!

Moderator (Gwyneth): Hi Dianne!!

Moderator (Gwyneth): no worries!

Moderator (Gwyneth):

MB: We love Gwyneth....she will be there...

AliceYucht: underfunded field

Diane Cordell: We should talk in terms of student needs & accomplishments rather than "our program"

Lisa Layera Brunkan to Mike Eisenberg: Right on Diane.

NancyW: @Diane C - agreed!

Cathyjo: one step needed right away: contact your congressional leaders!!

Judi Moreillon: Facing a mortal crisis!

Lisa Layera Brunkan: right on Diane

AliceYucht: fair to invisible

congerjan: I agree Diane.

Gail Dickinson: tremendous opportuinities

Ernie Cox to Frances Harris: its like i'm sitting next to you in the listing

Diane Cordell: Sruviving rather than thriving

Frances Harris: Anything between generally okay and "terrible"?

Cathyjo: Yes we are thriving!!

Sara Kelly Johns: the whole field...we COULD thrive...we are ready to thrive

kafi Kumasi: oops. I jumped the gun.. not thriving...but generally okay...many concerns

Moderator (Gwyneth): we WANT to thrive...but we're at a very impt tipping point

Moderator (Kim Caise): in San Antonio, many districts are opting to hire library aides over certified librarians

AliceYucht: difference between state and national level

Sara Kelly Johns: it's so uneven...

Jeanne Swedo: California here

Cathyjo: Now ask the question again but put in terms of perception

joycevalenza: it's like the blind men and the elephant

Cathyjo: perception form outside

Diane Cordell: A lot depends on politicians & administrators

Bob F.: Iowa law requires 1 TL in the District, not matter the size of the District

Sara: cathyjo -- good comment

Wendy Stephens 3 to Lisa Perez: I think it's really hard to generalize because of those geographical distinctions

congerjan: Wow!

Val: Education is not thriving

Jeanne Swedo: Not sure what's happening outside of CA

lg.cole: Running as fast as we can. . . constantly playing catch up

Moderator (Gwyneth): i think we're at a very scary/exciting/big tipping point

congerjan: We need to change to thrive.

RobinS: heads rolling in Indiana

Julie Scott: West Virginia is a mess, too!

Sara: we're doing better at what we do, but are externally threatened

Gretchen: Yes Gwyneth. I think it's exciting and there is such opportunity for us. Scary, but cool!

Julie Scott: Yes

Brenda Anderson: Good point Sara

Karen Kliegman: Yes...bad

AliceYucht: Lots of problems in New Jersey: SL not required by DOE.

Ernie Cox: how do we compare to other educators? are teaching jobs overall being lost?

MB: Yes, a lot of angry LMS

Joan Upell: Almost lethal in SD!

NancyW: Funding cuts are scary - not sure how Co will weather it

Val: teachers will be cut this year and I will not

Karl Fisch: @Ernie - yes, teaching jobs being lost in my area (Colorado)

MB: Are we not advocating enough?

Lisa Layera Brunkan: If anyone needs to ask 'what does a librarian do?' or 'aren't libraries obsolete in this age' I'd say it signals a crisis- I think it's important to think about this on a national level not state or school by school. ..

SusanE: Too many people not adapting

Diane Cordell: Who will teach the kids how to be informed information users?

Julie Scott: No one knows what we do!

Cathyjo: Vast misunderstanding on the moneyholders--thye have not been in a curent library

Susanvg: politicians don't understand education and they understand libraries even less

Sara: yes, julie!

MB: Administrators don't understand

Judi Moreillon: We are not part of the conversation.

SusanE: Too many people still old" school and not customer service oriented

AliceYucht: Lay perceptions that all info available on the INterWebs.

djacobson: We talk to each other but not to others outside the field

Julie Scott: They still see Marion the Librarian

Rob Darrow: Not just adapt...need to transform

joycevalenza: it looks different even in the same district

Moderator (Gwyneth): grins at the use of the term Interwebs]

MB: No. They are too busy.

Sara Kelly Johns: exactly Rob

Bob F.: A fixed schedule has taken me out of the collaboration process

Diane Cordell: So much of what we do supports others - e.g. teachers.

Karen Kliegman: wow

RobinS: We aren't promoting what we do enougn, but because of cuts we can't get out there either.

Pickywicky: they don't know what we do

Wendy Stephens 3: Well said, Alice

carolyng: testing 1 2 3 testing

joycevalenza: it's our fault

Julie Scott: They think that all we know about is books

MB: PAPERWORK!

Pickywicky: our title is abstract

congerjan: We are not a tested subject...

Julie Scott: It's our fault!

Sara Kelly Johns: we do not promote and market what we really do

Linda: Have to make yourself an integral cog of the schools

Cathyjo: we are not directly connected to test scores

Gretchen: I think that many libs still have an "if you built it they will come" mentality.

Pickywicky: decision makers don't go to our libraries

Moderator (Kim Caise): i have to agree @congerjan

AliceYucht: In many states, we are not classified as Instructional. So administrators don't see us as essential

Joquetta: I'm very lucky. My district is the 26th largest in US. No cuts to LMS.

webinar_guest to lreser: hi

djacobson: we're not good at talking about our profession to others

NancyW: We talk too much about "save the library" - we should frame the need in terms of equity in education.

Julie Scott: I tried to become indispensible, but geeze did that back fire

Sara Kelly Johns: we assume everyone knows

Moderator (Gwyneth): Laurie would like to talk

SusanE: Unfortunately our profession is reflected on by individuals

Jeanne Swedo: we dont grade and have direct student responsibility

Brenda Anderson: I think it is also because we are not a tested subject

joycevalenza: go laurie

Lisa Perez: A combination...with the Web 2.0 world, everyone thinks they already know how to get information

Moderator (Gwyneth): Laurie would you like to talk?

Moderator (Kim Caise): absolytely brenda

Laurie Conzemius: No I just forgot to put my hand down

Val: Julie - what did you do? What happened?

joycevalenza: mic is on bottom left

Julie Scott: I tried to help

Julie Scott: everyone

buffyjhamilton: You sound good Lisa.

Brenda Anderson: I try so hard to get us part of the curriculum and in measureable topics

Sara Kelly Johns: outsider?

joycevalenza: hi lisa, you are not the only nonlibrarian

Julie Scott: whenever it was a tech problem

Diane Cordell: There are no outsiders in this conversation!

Sara Kelly Johns: not really!!!

lg.cole: Don't see admins in library except when they are breezing through. Don't often stop long enough to really see what is happening.

joycevalenza: right, diane!

Julie Scott: tried to help the new principal

Moderator (Gwyneth): YAY Spokane Moms!!!!

Julie Scott: every chanve I got

MB: YEAH, a Mom advocating!

Julie Scott: sorry about the spelling

Rob Darrow: Cal school boards association magazine link about libraries: http://www.csba.org/ NewsAndMedia/Publications/ CASchoolsMagazine/2009/Fall/ InThisIssue/Libraries.aspx

Judi Moreillon: We have not influenced decison-makers at the district, state, and national levels.

Cathyjo: ther is a huge disconnect b/w haves and have nots too--haves are deciding library not impt bc they can "somewhat" provide information needs to their kids

Ernie Cox: thanks @Rob

Diane Cordell: Exactly - there's a lot outside of our control

Julie Scott: I agree totally! And school board members have to be on board, too.

Cathyjo: the have nots are the ones who truly suffer

Moderator (Gwyneth): this is the Spokane Moms webisite: http://www. fundourfuturewashington.org/

Moderator (Mike Eisenberg): trouble connecting the new information landcape to instruction

SusanE: I agree - not uniformly!

SusanE: Too many of my colleagues look at me with the "oh she's so dedicated" eyes

Diane Cordell: A computer with Internet access is NOT a librarian

Moderator (Gwyneth): Oh good one DC!

AliceYucht: Info Skills not clearly defined on The Tests.

SusanE: When what joyce and others do are what we all need to be doing

lg.cole: Also hard to move ahead as we need to when teachers and admins aren't up to speed on technology and all the different ways to "connect" with others.

Moderator (Kim Caise): lisa, you will have to click to turn your mic back on

MB: I think that the AASL and the ALA do a good job of informing us; is it an advocacy issue?

Julie Scott: West Virginia's Technology Integration Specialist program is an excellent idea, and to some degree it's working.

Colet Bartow to Mike Eisenberg: We need to stop talking amongst ourselves and start talking to our students, parents, teachers, administrators, communities -- using a clear definition of the program/functions and connection for the libraries in the context of schools for the 21st century.

Val: They got it in Ohio. Those librarians found a way to make it happen.

Brenda Anderson: My superintendant came into my office last Friday to re-assure that he was trying hard to keep our assistants. He never comes to IS offices.

Moderator (Kim Caise): lisa, click your mic to turn on your mic again

Julie Scott: but out county leaders don't know how to use us

joycevalenza: lisa, get the mic

joycevalenza: yes

Colet Bartow to Mike Eisenberg: sorry, meant to broadcast that.

Eileen Barnes: i think there is a distinction between technology and information science that often confuses people outside of the field.

RobinS: admns & classroom teachers don't even realize we have standards...which I'm working to get in front of them constantly.

Colet Bartow: We need to stop talking amongst ourselves and start talking to our students, parents, teachers, administrators, communities -- using a clear definition of the program/functions and connection for the libraries in the context of schools for the 21st century.

Moderator (Mike Eisenberg): vacuum - not understanding what it can deliver.

Julie Scott: Exactly.

Cathyjo: this budget is truly a call for advocacy

MB: We need to communicate that we are LEADERS!

Gretchen: I don't know that it is advocacy that is the problem - we need to PROVE our value with data, assessment, etc. We can't just be cheerleaders.

Linda: Missouri state tests have at least two pages on information skills. Problem is that is based on print informaiton skills

Moderator (Mike Eisenberg): $$ flowing to technology.

Sara Kelly Johns: as I said in Olympia I am tired of existing on the whim of an administrator

Cathyjo: we are technology of the very best kind

Julie Scott: I tried to point this out when our principal told me that technology integration wasn't one of her top concerns

Moderator (Mike Eisenberg): don't see the connection between library and technology!

Cathyjo: actually we are not tech, we are the faciliators to independence

Jeanne Swedo: high touch technology

Julie Scott: so she didn't consider the tech problems and how that would affect

Julie Scott: a 45 min high schol class

Diane Cordell: A tool is not enough without a guide to using it.

congerjan: ISTE and AASL standards should be merged

Linda: and in some buildings, we were the first educators with a computer so we were the ones crawling under the desks to plug the teachers in.

MB: Should we communicate that we can help....FREE? Since we are knowledgeable about what there is out there?

Pickywicky: We don't have any data to prove our data

Carolyn Foote: more teachers come to me for tech help than to our tech person lately

NancyW: @gretchen - Yes! Data is critical - we must always present our arguement in terms of how we impact student achievement - and especially how we help students develop 21st century skills - problem solving, critical thinking, - much more than just reading scores and technology

Pickywicky: excuse me, I meant value

AliceYucht: for many admins, "tech" is the glitz that they think makes their schools look "good." But those admins see the hardware, not the thinking involved in the USE of the software and access.

Julie Scott: I agree

lg.cole: Technology has a wide scope of possibilities for libraries, connecting, thinking and producing.

Brenda Anderson: Thinking Alice yes, that is what we have kids do

Cathyjo: AMEN MIke

Carolyn Foote: tech help that is curricular or web 2, they think librarian. Tech help hardware/software they think my tech guy.

Diane Cordell: Hence the rush to buy Smartboards

Julie Scott: I agree, but they don't want to learn it

Cathyjo: my princpal is a technophobe, so he doesnt value it

Julie Scott: they don't want to take the time

Frances Harris: We can use tech to leverage with

Wendy Stephens 3: Don't get me started on smartboards, Diane.

Diane Cordell: What we do many not directly translate into better Standardized test scores.

Sara: I read an article recently on tech support as a form of reference

mangolady to MB: talk to me later - cristine

Carolyn Foote: Made to Stick is a great book about branding yourself

Cathyjo: someone please post links in chat so we can link to them

congerjan: @DianeC and we have the data to prove it!

Karen Kliegman: Yes Mike

NancyW: Agreed - brands are crucial. And ours has too many negative connotations

Moderator (Gwyneth): i'll post the PPT later if you like!

Julie Scott: thank you!

lg.cole: Branding in library to me = service, collaboration, reaching out, communicating

NancyW: Thanks, Gwyneth!

Karen Kliegman: please post! Thanks.

Amanda: looked like store brand packaging

Sara: thanks, gwyneth!

Cathyjo: Minutemaid is my pref (LOL)

Julie Scott: Then how can "School Librarian" help us?

Moderator (Gwyneth): LOL Cathyjo!

Diane Cordell: Library programs vary widely so tougher to brand

Carlene: Like the new and old Coke

Julie Scott: NO!

Karen Kliegman: NO!

Sara Kelly Johns: yes

Carolyn Foote: I like the "brand" of Teacher-Librarian.

Pickywicky: NO!!!!

Moderator (Kim Caise): very much so @carlene

Diane Cordell: NO!!

Diane Cordell: I'm a teacher/librarian

Cathyjo: for brand purposes-yes

Laurie Conzemius: We look so different though depending on the level/district we're in.

Bob F.: Iowa went to "Teacher LIbrarian" in an effort to emphasize "Teacher"

Linda: People never understood the LMS brand

NancyW: I would really like to hear about some of the discussion that went into this decision from AASL

Moderator (Gwyneth): i'm a techer-librarian

kafi Kumasi: the concept of brand raises a lot of concern among educators. The argument goes, we are not a business, we are individualized agents

Diane Cordell: so we're iBrarians!

Karen Kliegman: yay big6!

Carlene: Social Media now instead of Web 2.0

MB: Princeton???? Sorry, I had to brand it.

SusanE: That's why Im not a big fan of some of the AASL standards...seems to try to add us into the standards, overwhelming teachers and administrators

Colet Bartow: Good example. If the brand doesn't exist to begin with it's hard to establish recognition. If the baggage of "school librarian" hasn't gotten us anywhere, why stay with it? We need to focus on what we are! Teachers, information teachers, in a school.

Cathyjo: Titlewave

Sara: Diane -- ha!

Carolyn Foote: Canada does title Teacher Librarian

Moderator (Kim Caise): more like a cybrarian

Jane Lofton: I'm wondering if AASL, or someone in our field, needs to hire a marketing person to figure out how to better "brand" us.

Cathyjo: Destiny

Gretchen: I always get a double take (in a negative way) with teacher librarian. Like, huh? What is that?

Sara Kelly Johns: of the 70 letters that Ann Martin wrote for school librarians losing positions, aALL 70 were in districts using the title "Teacher librarian"

lg.cole: Teacher librarian to me is good description of what I do. Having "specialist" at the end of library media...seemed to add a little clout with those who really don't understand whaat we do.

MB: Yes, Destiny!

Carolyn Foote: Are we "information specialist"?

Carolyn Foote: or 21st literacy specialist?

congerjan: I love it Diane!

Julie Scott: School Library Media Technology Integration Specialist

Rob Darrow: The book _Made to Stick_ speaks to the importance of branding.

Cathyjo: Brand--teacher

Julie Scott: SLMTIS

Cathyjo: Brand-information specialist

Lisa Layera Brunkan: Joyce's superintendent, colleagues, secretaries and parents have said openly they could not imagine the schoolhouse without her. That's indispensible. Joyce delivers what the teachers, students, admin. need and what they don't even know they need. . .it cultivates belovedness. . .and children who will flourish in this age

Sara Kelly Johns: we are more than information specialists...we are reading guidance, teachers...all add up to school librarian

Judi Moreillon: Academic and public librarians' work has changed, too. They didn't change their names.

Karen Kliegman: Information Specialist

Cathyjo: Brand-staff development leader

MB: Techno-Information Literacy Specialists!

Linda: We are teachers first according to our degrees

johnmarino: specialists are expendable come budget crunch time--teachers (teacher-librarians) are not!

NancyW: We are all 21st century learning & innovation specialists! (my new title - but it is a new job - that grew out of my district library coordinator position)

Sara: What about fiction?

Moderator (Gwyneth): you can go to the poll if you would like to vote for your preferred title:http://doodle.com/ s6ex2i8bw39xh7nw

kafi Kumasi: if you think about Saturn as a brand, they got a lot of buy-in because of their small cluster team oriented philosophy of building cars

lg.cole: Cybrarian...like that.

Cathyjo: Defintiely users and producers

Gretchen: @Linda, not always. I was actually a librarian first!

Judi Moreillon: Some of us do not have teacher certification.

Carlene: In Canada, we are called Teacher-Librarians which encompasses information literacy, instructional partner, literacy leader, and collection developer

Gail Dickinson: but if someone said about all of those names....what IS that?, we would answer....it's the name for the school librarian

buffyjhamilton: The brand of librarian is already entrenched. We need to change what it means to people, not the name itself.

Cathyjo: our studnts are ALL in the school community

Sara Kelly Johns: we have redefined what a school librarian is and the public understands it

Amanda: Parpros are givin the official title of "Media Specialist" in my school district.

Pickywicky: information is cold and incorrect...we are teaching students how to use and produce KNOWLEDGE

Judi Moreillon: I agree with Buffy!

Moderator (Gwyneth): http://doodle.com/ s6ex2i8bw39xh7nw

Sara: yes -- buffy

Carl Harvey: I agree, Buffy!

Diane Cordell: Teacher has a definite professional brand - some people think of librarians as clerks

Gretchen: Yes, Buffy. It's not the name. It's perception.

Frances Harris: YES BUFFY! We have a brand, we have to change the association

NancyW: I like to tell people I am a school librarian by profession --but my responsibility is ...

MB: Yes, Buffy. Agreed. We need a paradigm change.

Eileen Barnes: Technology and Information Instructors- could be certified or not!

Sara Kelly Johns: Exactly buffy

EmilyN: Absolutely Buffy!

Cathyjo: entire school community

Karen Kliegman: school librarian sounds so old fashioned

Julie Scott: I agree

AliceYucht: From an action survey in NJ: if you call the school and ask for the "media center" the office person transfers you to the AV office. But if you ask for the Library, they know what you mean.

Pickywicky: that we have value

Sara Kelly Johns: the audience is the public especially the decision makers...

Diane Cordell: It ties us to a building more than a profession

Moderator (Gwyneth): Karen Shhhh! [puts her hair in bun]

Lisa Layera Brunkan to Gwyneth, Kim Caise, Mike Eisenberg: are you talking to me?

Karen Kliegman: hahaahaha

Sara Kelly Johns: we KNOW we are teacher librarians

lg.cole: Perception = collaborator, teacher, forwarad thinker, ...

Sara Kelly Johns: but the title is vulnerable

Carolyn Foote: The book Made to Stick really is on my mind right now.

Karen Kliegman: lol

Moderator (Gwyneth): LMAO

Sara Kelly Johns: it does now!

Diane Cordell: We instruct people constantly

Carolyn Foote: it's a lot about how to make ideas/words stick

Frances Harris: Horse is out of the barn door?

Cathyjo: IMC

Bob F.: Ours is called an Information Center

joycevalenza: i like that

Sara Kelly Johns: we are more than "information"

Carolyn Foote: ours is Research Center

MB: Me too....I like that

Colet Bartow: If we're going to survive, the audience needs to be parents, students, community--sell and market the program for what it can provide to the school community.

Moderator (Gwyneth): i like Information Center, too

Julie Scott: But some librarians here don't want an accurate name because they'll be asked to do more than shelve books

Ernie Cox: good grief - not the "information" route

Carlene: In Canada, the room is called Library Resource Centre

lg.cole: School librarian makes me feel like I'm the person that was my school librarian. The card stamper behind the desk

Sara Kelly Johns: yup...I teach in a school library

MB: No, it reminds me of old nuns.

Lisa Perez: but the name is meaningless unless backed up with skill...is the majority of our profession considered technology leaders in their schools?

webinar_guest: call ourselves information consultants and charge accordingly

Sara Kelly Johns: yes

Cathyjo: What about David Loertscher's mantra to create a Learning Commons

Sara Kelly Johns: yes

Gretchen: I like: Library Information Center = LiNC

Pickywicky: it should be a knowledge center and we are knowledge educators

Sara Kelly Johns: nope

Diane Cordell: Phys ed teachers HATE to be called gym teachers!

Sara Kelly Johns: not anymore

Moderator (Gwyneth): great point Diane!

Gretchen: Why does "library" have to mean one static location?

Lisa Layera Brunkan: Cathyjo- I agree. You're not tech, when the program is funded and staffed by an innovative profession what you do is empower

Frances Harris: Of course! And still be a school librarian

Ernie Cox: you mean the learning commons Mike?

Judi Moreillon: So do academic and public librarians.

Karen Kliegman: gret point diane

Sara Kelly Johns: my school library is both physical and virtual

djacobson: School Library is a building - our program is more

EmilyN: I am in charge of the library in my school building but that is not the only place that I work

Brenda Anderson: I work in classrooms also THe real and the virtual

Carolyn Foote: Gretchen I like LIC, also like Learning commons.

Rosemarie: We don't mention the virtual aspect enough.

Moderator (Gwyneth): the 21ist Century!

Judi Moreillon: same is true for public and academic libraries

Carolyn Foote: pizzaz. What is it that Kim Cofino calld hers? The HUB

Linda: School Library/Librarians locks us into one place.

AliceYucht: can we get Noah Wylie as a spokesperson?

NancyW: No --we need a slick advertising campaign!

Julie Scott: LOL

Sara Kelly Johns: no it doesn't

Cathyjo: @alice LOL

Sara Kelly Johns: only if you let it

Gretchen: @Alice - yes! Noah!

Diane Cordell: We're all Special!

Judi Repman: To go back to the "we have met the enemy and he is us" the problem isn't the "us" that are in this virtual room-the problem is all of those school librarians out there who don't want anything to do with technology, collaboration, etc.

Julie Scott: Spatial? LOL

Ernie Cox: guess they weren't "special" enough

SusanE: I agree JUDI!!!!

EmilyN: You are RIGHT, Judi!

Diane Cordell: Those tied exclusively to books...

Cathyjo: not all doctors can help

Carolyn Foote: great points Mike

Lisa Perez: this issue is fundamental to related issued...how do students learn to read and do we contribute to literacy? Is information literacy valued as it should be....we are only as important as what we do is valued

Cathyjo: doctor term to generic

AliceYucht: @Judi: you are right: the Disposable Librarians don't bother with this kind of format

Sara Kelly Johns: there are a lot of school library media specialists and teacher librarians who don't do tech

SusanE: That is the big deal!! We are all the leaders here in this room. The fact is there are so many more of us who are late fine chasers....sigh

Eileen Barnes: i think we need a real well worked campaign to communicate what we are really about, but first we need to figure out our identity in the midst of transitions.

MB: You're right! "Library" = physical; we are much more.

Julie Scott: Exactly, Mike!

Kelly Brannock: if we ALL don't have pizazz, there's no point in trying to sell that we do

Diane Cordell: So, who made the decision, when was I polled?

Judi Moreillon: Boo!

David Loertscher: Retro Death

joycevalenza: lots of pizazz in this room

Ann Meyer: In Wisconsin we are called Library Media Specialist.

NancyW: Cassandra - can you enlighten us as to AASL's position on all of this?

Lisa Layera Brunkan: Hilarious Diane iBrarians!

Carolyn Foote: We should be called Library Geeks

Rob Darrow: There are no school librarians in online high schools

MB: Love it..."Retro Death"

Cathyjo: cybrarians

Carolyn Foote: WEbrarians

Val: In WI, I am called "Hey, You" and it keeps me on the hop.

Julie Scott: Cool

Moderator (Gwyneth): is Colet here?

Mary: Who DID make the decision for the name?

Moderator (Gwyneth): with a Mic?

joycevalenza: we also need to hear from those who disagree with mike

Carolyn Foote: lol, Val

Chad Lehman to Gwyneth, Kim Caise, Mike Eisenberg: Yes, Ann, we are - in some districts they don't use that term

MB: Like that, Cathy: "Cybrarians"...

Lisa Perez: but campaign w/o the skills to back it are meaningless...also, administrators don't know what to expect

Cathyjo: one of my kids calls me Nelsonator LOL

Sara Kelly Johns: all those titles add up to school librarians

joycevalenza: yes!

Judi Moreillon: I don't want a name I have to explain.

Rosemarie: There are few school libraries in charter schools.

Cathyjo: i take Nelsonator (cathy nelson) as a compliment

Sara Kelly Johns: there should be

NancyW: @sara - yes! With a slick advertising campaign!

Julie Scott: with Noah!!

joycevalenza to Judi Moreillon: judi, will you grab the mike?

Diane Cordell: New librarian at SLA

Carolyn Foote: You all need to read Made to Stick

Rosemarie: That's right Sara!

joycevalenza to Judi Moreillon: mic

buffyjhamilton: I think when we start callin gourselves something other than librarians, not only do we confuse stakeholders about the uniqueness of our "brand", but I feel it separates us from our peers in academic and public libraries, who have the potential to be our allies and partners in the profession.

Moderator (Gwyneth): we need an opposing voice: anyone disagree with Mike and Noah whow would like to speak next?

AliceYucht: I think our issue should be visibility of the profession, not what we're called. That train left the station.

Sara Kelly Johns: Exactly, NancyW

SusanE: I'm with Judi...I don't want a name I have to explain, and as we said, we should update our profession, not rename ourselves

Judi Moreillon: If the program is on the cutting edge, people will begin to see the library as 21st century.

Carl Harvey: I agree, Alice. We have to paint that picture of what we do!

Cathyjo: the chat is WICKED fast--only a true "librarian" could keep up!!

Chad Lehman to Gwyneth, Kim Caise, Mike Eisenberg: In my district, the school libraries are called Instructional Media Centers

Sara Kelly Johns: my LIBRARY is 21st century

Karen Kliegman: good point Cathyjo!

Ernie Cox: @buffyjhamilton - good points! we need to retain a connection to the larger profession

Moderator (Gwyneth): Judi please grab a Microphone to go on next

EmilyN: I think it's important for us to redefine what others expect us to do and what our role is rather than getting hung up on names.

Moderator (Gwyneth): kim can you help me get judi the ability to talk?

lg.cole: What we do, the difference that we make, the contribution that we share is what is most important. Not the name. But along with the name comes perception.

joycevalenza to Judi Moreillon: please raise your hand if you would like to speak and gwyneth with organize the order

Rob Darrow: Putting Elluminate in "wide layout" lengthens the chat room.

Kelly Brannock: I'm with JudiR and Carl too -- we have to be practicing at a level that demands notice

joycevalenza: please raise your hand if you would like to speak and gwyneth with organize the order

Julie Scott: In WV, if we can't name ourselves so that our legislators get what we do, well never get the funding.

SusanE: Thx Rob

AliceYucht: Keep the name. Change the perception. too much time/energy wasted on changing the name at this time.

Moderator (Gwyneth): Judi M do you have a microphone to talk next?

Rosemarie: Turn off other speakers if you can, or use a headset.

kafi Kumasi: I disagree with Mike. We don't need to change our name, just clarify our message of what we do to meet 21st century learning

Sara Kelly Johns: and my LIBRARY is connected to all other libraries, I don't but up barriers to collaboration with public and college libraries

Chad Lehman: In my district, school librarians are called Instructional Media Centers

lg.cole: Thanks for the wide layout tip!

Moderator (Gwyneth): YAY!

EmilyN: I do way more than make the book scanner go "beep" and it's my job to make sure than other people know that.

Diane Cordell: I'm finding it easier to try to effect change from outside of the constraints of a school district.

joycevalenza: yes

Moderator (Gwyneth): just went out

buffyjhamilton: Alice, I agree.

MB: Can we brand our "new" name to public libraries?

Lisa Layera Brunkan: Jane, if I were a librarian I would spend the most I could possibly afford to help translate not why the librarian 'matters' but articulately and passionately and edgily (!) communicating what you do for kids and what you do for the schoolhouse. It's insane that it's not clear. You guys and the program are one of the smartest investments of the century-if the vacuum isn't filled, someone else is going to step in and quick- the potential is big, the need is clear.

Cathyjo: I fear that our legislatures equeat "school librarian" to what they had oh so long ago. Total disconnect

Moderator (Gwyneth): try again press mic and hold it down yes!

Carolyn Foote: Chad, I like that "Instructional Media Center"

Moderator (Gwyneth): yes

MB: Yes

Chad Lehman: @Carolyn - hence the IMC Guy

Moderator (Gwyneth): is trying to figure out who dear MB is mystery]

Sara Kelly Johns: actually legislators understand school librarians...they have no idea who those other people are

Carolyn Foote: I shoulda had a v8, thanks Chad

lg.cole: Agree Cathyjo - that the perception is coming from their experience, not today's student's experiences

Val: Here, here!!

Cathyjo: i had a teacher tell me a parent called the principal bc she never assigned homework that used those tax dollar paid text books

Frances Harris: My teachers would scoff at any name other than "library" - but they know all the things I do and "get" a much broader definition of "library."

Linda: State school librarian associations should make their presence known on state capital legislators offices.

johnmarino: i disagree. legislators have an outdated view of what "school librarians" do

kafi Kumasi: our brand can be school library ..just need a new tagline

Kimberly: I agree, we do need to change what we do.

Sara Kelly Johns: we have already changed what we are and what we do

Laurie Conzemius: I see student teachers every day who say "i didn't know librarians did that?" so they don't know either.

Rob Darrow: @cathyjo we know how important those textbooks are!

joycevalenza: i suppose it doesn't matter to me internally

Karen Kliegman: my husband still says he doesn't know what I d!

NancyW: @sara- but when they hear "school librarian" - are they thinking of book circulators, shelvers, etc? Or...do they think what we want them to know?

MB: Does "library" put on brakes?

Cathyjo: @rob almost as important as us, no?

Moderator (Gwyneth): we should make a WORDLE of ALL that we do!

Carolyn Foote: I think one place we could really brand ourselves is in colleges of education. IF pre-service teachers aren't learning what librarians can do for them as teachers, then they enter profession not knowing that.

SusanE: Nancy...I'm with you

AliceYucht: I tell folks that I am a Librarian: a guide dog for the informatically challenged.

Diane Cordell: My husband not sure either...but he fears my power!

Sara Kelly Johns: if they don't think of what we do now, it's our fault for not letting them now

Linda: Good point Carolyn!

Sara Kelly Johns: know

Moderator (Gwyneth): LOL Diane...and so should he!

Ernie Cox: it is more than information! it is what happens with information and the changes in students as they interact with information and one another

Cathyjo: @carolyn I always connect quickly to my new teachers too

EmilyN: That's hilarious, Alice!

Sara: teacher prep programs need to be taught about what we do to be able to hit the ground running

Moderator (Gwyneth): LISA PEREZ

Gretchen: @Carolyn, yes, we need to get to those preservice teachers. We need more of us teaching those classes.

Angie: will this session be archived?

Chad Lehman: @Gwenyth - I asked the students what they could do in the library and I made a Wordle of what they thought

Moderator (Gwyneth): Yes!

buffyjhamilton: Sounds good

lg.cole: I am going to make a wordle of all we do. My library web site has a wordle of just that sort on the main page. But no one asks me about it.

Carolyn Foote: But @cathyjo wouldn't it be great if we got them while in college?

johnmarino: who is speaking?

Cathyjo: @carolyn YES

Sara: gretchen -- yes!

Cathyjo: Lisa

Ernie Cox: yes Lisa - it is the responsibility aspect not the name

MB: It is yellow at the top

Moderator (Gwyneth): Great Wordle Idea CHAD!!!

Carolyn Foote: the other issue is how do we reach out to other librarians who aren't in this room.

SusanE: Forget us making a wordle. Have the students produce something that tells others what we are worth to them

Diane Cordell: Have to be careful not to get over-invested in tools rather than process and content

mangolady: We try to work with pre-service teachers but the departments won't let my department - library media - have any time, modules, presentations, etc.

Moderator (Mike Eisenberg): Sara KellyJ next, please

Sara Kelly Johns: sure

Cathyjo: Our CLIS program does a good job of connecting with preservice teachers --Univ of South carolina

Kelly Brannock: @CarolynF - I've thought that making inroads at the pre-service education levels is really important and help them become advocates for us

Frances Harris: Carolyn, you are so right. We are speaking to the converted here

Moderator (Gwyneth): Sara Kelly Johns is next

AliceYucht: RT Frances: we are speaking to the choir here.

MB: Yes, Frances....look at the speed of the typing.

Ernie Cox: @kelly brannock - let's put preservice outreach on our next board agenda

Karen Kliegman: It doesn't

Cassandra Barnett: For 30 plus years we have had an identiy crisiis (SLMS, Teacher Librarian, Library Teacher, etc) and so it has been difficult to help our stakeholders know what we do. They have a frame of reference for a school librarian. What we can do now is focus on our message of how the school library program can help students learn how to manuever through the information turmoil.

Moderator (Gwyneth): Go Sara!

Moderator (Gwyneth): YAY!

Cathyjo: But by and large our largest population in school staff wise are the, um, veteran teachers?

Frances Harris: Oops, yes, Alice. my metaphors escape me...

Carolyn Foote: So I wonder how we can each do something to reach pre-service teachers or get our state organizations to reach out to the university's education programs.

Diane Cordell: A good program should be integrated with the rest of the curriculum

Moderator (Gwyneth): Oooh good!

Sara: thanks, Ernie (which committee?)

Kelly Brannock: @ernie - remind me, ok?! very important issue!

MB: Yes, Sara

Amanda: We are so dependent on collaboration!!! Maybe it's collaboration that is broken.

Laurie Conzemius: I work in a district with 4 schools - and each one has a different version of "school library program". Hard to define a moving target.

Cathyjo: Far too many are complacent though

Moderator (Gwyneth): also i think if you're not a bit frustrated doing your job in Library Media you're not doing it right!

Moderator (Gwyneth): Mike Hug your Hamster!

Joan Upell: exactly - it's not the name

Val: A name will not save us

Cathyjo: they groan and fuss when you talk about new tools to use

Judi Moreillon: They're gone in Arizona, too! And they were called "teacher-librarians."

Chad Lehman: This is a Wordle of what my 5th graders felt like they could do in our school library. @http://chadlehman.com/?p=239

Carolyn Foote: lol

joycevalenza: interesting, judi

lg.cole: Gotta say that I am mentoring 2 librarians to be...and THEY are even a little confused about what actually happens in a school library. And one of them is a techer in my school.

Jeanne Swedo: I agree. It's not the name.

Diane Cordell: Not always true

Moderator (Gwyneth): you ALWAYS have to MARKET!

kafi Kumasi: No marketing is key to branding

buffyjhamilton: If it were the name, I think we would see more librarians in other sectors disappearing like an endagnered species, too. Academic and public librarians do not have the attrition rate we do.

Carolyn Foote: I suspect some Oregon librarians were doing a good job marketing themselves.

joycevalenza: we can't have two mics on at the same time

Karen Kliegman: marketing is advocating

Colet Bartow: Information literacy is LEARNING! And we have to market that that's what we do.

buffyjhamilton: Sorry for my lame typing tonight, everyone

Chad Lehman: Is there a difference between programs at the High School level vs. elementary with a fixed schedule?

Ernie Cox: i thought great teaching was the marketing and advocacy we need?

Gretchen: What is different about librarians in academia? Why are they valued more than we are?

Moderator (Gwyneth): Pickwicky would like speak next

Chad Lehman: in how they are viewed?

Diane Cordell: Very much so, Chad

Cathyjo: @chad--DRAMTICALLY different wouldnt u say?

NancyW: I can understand the reason that was communicated to me earlier regarding reverting back to "school librarian" - because there is confusion among legilators. But we just can't do it without a huge publicity campaign. Is ALA going to pay for that?

Moderator (Gwyneth): pardon me PickyWicky

Sara: @gretchen -- good question

Jeanne Swedo: Chad there are no librarians left in lower school here

Chad Lehman: Absolutely

Linda: Big difference between elem fixed vs high school/jr high flex

Karen Kliegman: unfortunately we have to always advocate, even when our programs are great.

Diane Cordell: Fixed schedule = no time to collaborate with classroom teachers

congerjan: We have always been called libraries and librarians in my district... my kinders and first graders call me library teacher.

Amanda: How do our STUDENTS feel about their libraries?

lg.cole: LOTS of difference between elementary and high school, not just scheduling, but that is a big part of the difference.

Judi Moreillon: And still they cut the program in Belleview, WA!

johnmarino: right--it's the whole package. the name identifies a brand that people trust, and they trust it because it delivers. the two go hand-in-hnad

Chad Lehman: @Diane, luckily, we do have some time built into our day, but it's at a time when teachers are also collaborating with other teachers

Moderator (Gwyneth): PickyWicky would you like to grab the mic?

AliceYucht: Aha: stop talking among ourselves. Start talking to the OUTSIDE world.

Chad Lehman: but it's better than nothing

Cathyjo: someone mute

SusanE: I think one of the sad things about our profession is that each program is very individual - it depends on the individual's strengths. MLS programs aren't consistent in their training, and book chasers can get through along with techy, forward-thinking librarians

Karen Kliegman: elementary we are mostly fixed, we teach all day - that is good.

joycevalenza: one mic at a time!!!

Moderator (Gwyneth): Chad? would you like to be next?

congerjan: I agree Diane... I have a fixed schedule

Cathyjo: two mics cause an echo

MB: @Amanda I like that- - - the students!

Cathyjo: YES CHAD

Diane Cordell: Agreed Chad - work with what you have!

Carolyn Foote: I also think we need to be realistic, in tough times, things get cut. Hard decisions get made. Have to have STRONG state organization/lobby to help

Moderator (Gwyneth): Sara your mic is causing the echo dear

Judi Moreillon: Yes!

Cathyjo: But 0 from national budget

Cathyjo: NO

Ernie Cox: so Mike - which one do we pick from your list?

Judi Moreillon: Some of us are not certified as teachers!

Rosemarie: We do need to inform school boards about what we do.

Cathyjo: where is my bailout plan?

kafi Kumasi: Yes, re-energize the term--" New School" LIbrarians

Bob F.: I don't agree that it's good that we are rixed into an all-day schedule of "skills" classes

Kelly Brannock: I think there is a much greater strain on elementary school librarians because of demands of fixed schedules. They (we) have to work that much harder to be cutting edge

Moderator (Gwyneth): turn off your mic SARA

Chad Lehman: I can't right now based on where I am, sorry

Carolyn Foote: I like I-Librarian

Diane Cordell: The skills need to be integrated!

lg.cole: Susan E Good point. In my small school district of 4 elem, 1 int/mid, 1 high, we are very diverse.

Ernie Cox: NO!

Wendy Stephens 3: That is an INCREDIBLE statistic, Saraj

Ernie Cox: the information is not the total story

Moderator (Gwyneth): OK Chad

SusanE: Carolyn - don't you think we are a little "overorganized?" There's ISTE, ALA, AASL, tech groups, state groups, etc...we are divided!

Diane Cordell: Info + literature!

MB: Why not, Ernie?

Judi Moreillon: LOL

Bob F.: Fixed = isolated

buffyjhamilton: If I wanted to retain the title "teacher" in my job description, I would have stayed in the classroom. While teaching is important, it is not all I need to be doing in my program.

Sara: yes, diane!

Diane Cordell: Different types of information

Pickywicky: NO! She is right- we are more than info. we are about knowledge!

Kimberly: lost audio

Cathyjo: Thanks Joyce!! or Gwen whoever

Carlene: reading for comprehension and new learnings

Gretchen: Yes @Pickywicky! Knowledge.

Frances Harris: I'm also about safety, refuge, PLACE

kafi Kumasi: information has a certain connotation....too techy and trying too hard to be on the information bandwagon

Linda: We are learning about audio tonight

lg.cole: In Texas we must be certified teachers with a minimum of 3 years in classroom.

Cathyjo: @francey

Sara: same here, frances!

Lisa Layera Brunkan to Mike Eisenberg: Velvet gloves my friend

Cathyjo: where does gaming fit i

buffyjhamilton: If we privilege only "teaching" in our title, I think it diminished the importance of all the other things we do that are unique to our job.

Gretchen: Definitely. Place is important, especially in middle school!

Cathyjo: Im also about gaming

Julie Scott: Am I the only one who also uses technology to accomplish goals?

MB: Yes, Buffy

Carl Harvey: I agree, Buffy!

Carolyn Foote: How about "Jack of all Trades"?

Chad Lehman: In Wisconsin, you have to have a teaching certification as well

Cassandra Barnett: iTeacher sounds like a fad to me. I envision that in 15 years we will be straggling with the same issue. What are we going to call ourselves now?

Carolyn Foote: no, ulie, you're not.

Val: I think enhanced social skills may serve us better than any name.

Carolyn Foote: julie

Carlene: How about underpaid Renaissance people

buffyjhamilton: I do not know of a single librarian in academic or public who is called something other than "librarian."

Moderator (Gwyneth): there you go

Kelly Brannock: @ buffy... I'm embracing that teacher role, but my wonderful job is about a whole lot more than direct instruction

Judi Moreillon: Send me one, too!

connect2jamie: what about information literacy specialist?

Julie Scott: I think we need technology in the name

Amanda: Are non-certified librarians... parapros?

Diane Cordell: Agreed, Charlene

buffyjhamilton: Kelly, I'm right there with you!

Carolyn Foote: I like 21st century literacy specialist.

AliceYucht: Field will decline as long as folks argue semantics.

Cathyjo: while I grudgingly accept the title, i wil continue to advocate my brand

Judi Moreillon: Ahem, Alice.

Julie Scott: since there's so much 21st century

Karen Kliegman: library-educational technology specialist

Gretchen: I am a K12 certified school librarian but was never a classroom teacher.

Julie Scott: out there

buffyjhamilton: How is 21st century literacy specialist distinct from a term like "literacy coach"?

Lisa Perez: agreed, Alice

AliceYucht: This *name* battle is a waste of time.

Laurie Conzemius: Amen! I am not "support staff"

Cathyjo: agreed Alice

Linda: We are not just teacher relief time!

Val: Agreed

johnmarino: exactly! support staff are disappearing from my district...

Carlene: So agree Alice. Let's get over the name and get to what our role is - how to do it and let everyone know in every sector

Diane Cordell: Back to how to promote our programs

lg.cole: Technology plays a huge part in everything I do everyday with students and teaches.

KimberlyBrosan: Amen Alice!

MB: @alice....I do think we need to bring it to the fore.

SusanE: agree Carlene

Moderator (Gwyneth): Buffy would you like to chime in dear?

Sara: amen on IL grade!

Linda: Been there...done that

Kelly Brannock: @alice - yes! we need to spend time & energy & passion looking at our day-to-day practice

buffyjhamilton: Not yet, but thank you, Gwyneth! ~hugs~

joycevalenza: i would like to see performance asssessments

Val: I grade in my HS.

Judi Moreillon: What does it matter if 70% of students need remediation in reading comprehension?

Sara: so how do we get there?

Julie Scott: The name is important because that's what sticks in people's minds

congerjan: I give grades to all my students... a library grade

Julie Scott: and we really need to stick

Diane Cordell: I don't think we should give grades...we should facilitate projects, not mark them

Jeanne Swedo: I have just started grading

Rosemarie: Laymen don't know what information literacy means. They don't know the term at all.

Cathyjo: the library stuff should be in the rubrics for class projects

Moderator (Gwyneth): 15 min to move on .....

Bob F.: But, Linda, I AM teacher release time - totally isolated from the curriculum because of the fixed schedule

Chad Lehman: We do not grade at all currently, others in my department do not want that to happen. I'd like to see it so we can hold them to a high standard in the library.

AliceYucht: We need Mike to stop talking.

joycevalenza: Gwyneth, how is that poll going?

Karen Kliegman: a teacher once said to me that if the kids don't get a grade in library, they won't see it as important.

buffyjhamilton: The grading concept is troubling to me.

Carolyn Foote: This would require a revolution in a particular school. I think we need to know what we'd like it to look like at OUR school, then work to change that in our own district.

Linda: Collobarating with teachers and assessing with teachers is the way to go

Frances Harris: So Mike, tell us what you REALLY think

Carolyn Foote: and then provide models.

Lisa Layera Brunkan: Cathy Jo you are right on target---Legislators' eyes glaze over and just don't easily wrap their minds around the fact that the program has the potential to deliver a different 'product'

Val: My grades are in their content assignment but I plan it, deliver it and score it and my teachers welcome it.

Karen Kliegman: However, I don't want to give out grades to 600 kids

Cathyjo: Those things that are measured generally get funded AND staff development

Julie Scott: Linda, You're exactly right!

buffyjhamilton: We will only be reinforcing the obsession with grades and quantiative data if we succumb to that paradigm.

Sara: so what do we call it instead of IL?

congerjan: CathJo... Love that rubric idea...

Ernie Cox: are these narrative reports or a simple checkbox or skill sets?

SusanE: Karen I'm with you

Bob F.: I currently grade 996 students

Linda: Taught in elem. school...had to give 500+ grades for K - 5 grades

EmilyN: I do things the same way Val.

Moderator (Gwyneth): great point Buffy!

AliceYucht: Our primary issue has to be WHAT WE DO, not what we are called.

Carolyn Foote: I have 2500 students

Val: Yes, Alice!

Diane Cordell: And if the grades are low, do we get fired?

Gretchen: I absolutely think assessment is important, but I don't know that we need a line item on a report card. Info Lit skills need to be taught in context.

Cathyjo: Me too Carolyn +100 give or take

congerjan: Next year I will be giving grades to over 750 students...

buffyjhamilton: I want to disrupt the current educational climate, not validate this insane testing craze that is killing inquiry and deep thinking.

Linda: Grades were basically based on behavior and whenever I could do some projects or worksheets

Lisa Perez: If we do our job very well, it doesn't matter what we are called.

Judi Moreillon: Not advocacy - teaching reading comprehension as part of information literacy instruction!

Julie Scott: can't communicate what we do without having a name to put to it to help

Karen Kliegman: right on buffy!

Lisa Layera Brunkan: A principal in Mass. last week told me with great disgust that his son had a test on the Dewey Decimal last week. . .the idea of a baseline is crucial--- folks that don't want to 'play' are bringing down the rockstars in the profession

Carolyn Foote: That's what I do--I teach the teachers

Cassandra Barnett: If we are ever going to be effective in helping students learn, we have to assess and help them learn to assess

Carolyn Foote: alot

Diane Cordell: And who delivers the instruction?

Sara: yes to Gretchen

Linda: Has 2200 high school students

Laurie Conzemius: I think having a baseline of what every program delivers is a good concept.

Laurie Conzemius: So often the program is the person.

Jeanne Swedo: My grading occurs within context of research assignments 30% of the overall grade

Ernie Cox: @buffy we have to move the evaluation scheme beyond the same old grades

Carolyn Foote: I help create frameworks for projects, etc.

Cathyjo: im in my first year at a 2600 student school

SusanE: AMen Lisa

joycevalenza: yes, jeanne, mine too

buffyjhamilton: If you make it a subject area, it will become another target for standardized testing that is just as off kilter as the current content based tests.

Rosemarie: It's vital that we document the standards we are teaching.

lg.cole: Alice - hip hip hooray -- DO is of prime importance

Amanda: I think we are missing the point with the name argument. It's the credentials and training that make the difference.

Cathyjo: I feel like EVERY lesson I teach to a class the teacher walks away learned as well

Kelly Brannock: people with the power are viewing our work through the lenses of their childhood experience in the school library -- we MUST reconstruct their view of what we do.

Lisa Perez: Get the powers that be to value an information literate student and we WILL be important

Val: I score appropriate selection of primary source documents, bibliographic annotations, etc.

Carolyn Foote: I think we need to quit acting like we are endangered. Show confidence and belief in what we do.

Chad Lehman: I can see grading if you are working with a fixed schedule, but I can't see how it would work at the secondary level

Sara: @buffy -- integrated

Moderator (Gwyneth): OK Mike we need to move on from the NAME now.....

AliceYucht: Folks: keep in mind that Mike also thinks we should be in charge of textbook inventory.

buffyjhamilton: Info lit standards should be integrated into content area subjects, not be something separate.

Moderator (Gwyneth): EWWW ALice, nooo!

Bob F.: Yes, Buffy

Karen Kliegman: I think many of us are embracing tech... I know I am...

Diane Cordell: You can't evaluate the beginnings of lifelong learning habits

joycevalenza: we have lost a lot of ground and turf we should own

buffyjhamilton: I totally disagree I should be in charge of textbook inventory. I can barely manage all I am doing now.

Julie Scott: so am I

johnmarino: well said, mike

Rosemarie: I agree, Buffy!

lg.cole: The name IS affecting perception though. Particularly in the bigger world.

Carolyn Foote: I'm the Geeky Library Goddess.

AliceYucht: Yes. He said so at a meeting in Reno.

Judi Moreillon: Is that the message for public and academic libraries, too?

congerjan: I think a lot of us are embracing tech.

Linda: Info Lit standards are integrated into district curriclums

Carolyn Foote: that's my title

buffyjhamilton: We have clerical staff who are more than adept at managing textbooks.

buffyjhamilton: I do not want to be an inventory pusher.

Ernie Cox: @alice if we had control of textbooks we could change what "textbooks" mean

Laurie Conzemius: Sometimes I think my principal thinks I'm valuable because I will say "yes" to everything and I'm a leader. He sees "me" not the media program, I fear.

Cathyjo: @buffy LOL our asst principals do textbooks (so what are you saying about theire skills LOL?

Diane Cordell: Great points, Gwyneth!

Moderator (Gwyneth): Joyce?

AliceYucht: @ Ernie: that is a separate discussion.

Gretchen: PLEASE - I don't want the texbooks!

buffyjhamilton: Cathy, LOL!

Ernie Cox: we can be the ones to change the idea of a "textbook"

Judi Moreillon: in a room?!

Cathyjo: they about had a cow when we showed them the Panther handheld

Moderator (Gwyneth): i like Info Tech Redheaded Goddess Myself!

Julie Scott: cool

Diane Cordell: I'll dye my hair!

Karen Kliegman: love that Gwyneth

Julie Scott: me too

Cathyjo: CAthy Nelson--> The Nelsonator

Ernie Cox: (gwyneth) and your are!

Kelly Brannock: @ernie... one idea at a time, puleeezzzz!

Chad Lehman: I won't! (

Moderator (Gwyneth): redhead optional!

Karen Kliegman: KliegSTAR

Lisa Perez: grassroots! outside of any professional organization!!

Ernie Cox: sorry @kelly

Diane Cordell: The red-headed league...with silver shoes

Sara: thanks, Joyce!

buffyjhamilton:

NancyW: Will this chat be archived? Chat is coming fast and furious - hard to follow!

Val: We don't need inventory to change the idea of textbooks we need to be on the content selection committees. I just finished serving on my English depts. committee.

webinar: In California, teacher for 5 years, before teacher librarian

Moderator (Gwyneth): NELSONATOR!

Judi Moreillon: Here is a problem I have. Our national association makes a decision, we push back.

Moderator (Gwyneth): south park would tell you about evil gingers

Diane Cordell: not revolution - evolution

Chad Lehman: I'm thinking I need to publish an article in the next school newsletter informing parents of what I do. I think many feel I just check out books to the kids.

Sara: go, chad!

Cathyjo: The name change may not have been a catalyst for folks to worry about advicacy or brand, but CERTAINLY the 2011 nat'l budget cut will

Julie Scott: good idea

Julie Scott: true

Diane Cordell: True, Cathy

Moderator (Gwyneth): great idea chad!

AliceYucht: One of the things we need is a baseline description of a good (not exemplary) library program that EVERY ADMINISTRATOR knows about and understands

Carolyn Foote: wish we had another hour

Kimberly: I agree

Kelly Brannock: @cathyjo - yes, sadly!

Diane Cordell: No solutions tonight? Imagine that!

Moderator (Gwyneth): i also think we need a Mission Statement on all our wiki and web pages

Sara: @chad -- use the library share-what-you-do thing from last week as a bouncing off point...

Sara Kelly Johns: we do need a MAJOR PR campaign

Sara: @gwyneth -- nice!

Carolyn Foote: wondering if we should do a "debriefing" chat in chatzy or soewhee.

Chad Lehman: @Sara, that's a good idea.

lg.cole: Mission statement - agree. It's a start that can be a constant on the web page

Val: There is a model in the SLMPY criteria.

kafi Kumasi: huh, don't see pink

Julie Scott: me neither

NancyW: Don't see it either

shannonlibrarian 1: Isn't everybody who works in the library a "librarian" to laymen patron? How do we differentaiate?

Moderator (Gwyneth): i'm not seeing that only the ppt

buffyjhamilton: no pink for me, either

Karen Kliegman: me too

congerjan: I don't see pink either

Linda: no pink here?

Karen Kliegman: n pink

AliceYucht: no pink, no ppt here

Moderator (Gwyneth): sure!

Rosemarie: Me either.

Carolyn Foote: same here gwyneth, not seeing the other site.

Carlene: Joyce, can you direct me how to find the pink sticky?

Kelly Brannock: I'm only seeing Mike's power point and some other text popping up

Cassandra Barnett: At some point soon, there will be a document posted that summarizes the discussion the AASL Board had that led to the decision to keep the name School Librarian.

Karen Kliegman: not seeing pink

Sara: thanks @cassandra

NancyW: Accept the 3 functions? Huh? We have so many more than these!

Mary: Cassandra...where will it be posted?

Cathyjo: show us the pink

joycevalenza: i've lost the web tour icon

joycevalenza: yes

Moderator (Gwyneth): Yes!

Sara Kelly Johns: yes

Colet Bartow: We have to keep this conversation going, open and positive. If we can crowdsource the solutions, we can move forward as a whole and make a difference.

Moderator (Kim Caise): at the very top in the moderator tools

buffyjhamilton: Yes!

Moderator (Gwyneth): introduce yourself please?

Kelly Brannock: yes!

Ernie Cox: yup

Chad Lehman: When I switched from the classroom to the library, many students, including my own children, stopped callling me a teacher

AliceYucht: When folks OUTSIDE the school bldg ask what I do, I say I am a School Librarian. When fellow educators IN the bldg ask me, I say I am a Teacher-Librarian. Other faculty understand both those words.

Cassandra Barnett: It will probaby first appear on ALA Connect but I will make sure that it comes across the Forum and the website.

Moderator (Kim Caise) to Gwyneth, Kim Caise, Mike Eisenberg: or paste the linki and i will open the web tour joyce

Cathyjo: I accept the title and realize I must teach everyone else what it means

Cathyjo: and that includes legislators

Moderator (Gwyneth): this is the POLL

Moderator (Gwyneth): http://doodle.com/ s6ex2i8bw39xh7nw

av2learner -Yo: @Alice Right on.

Linda: Exactly Alice - same here

Sara Kelly Johns: I always say that I am a school librarian and I teach at Lake Placid...say it enough and people say it back to you

Diane Cordell: We need to also think of ourselves as facilitators

Moderator (Gwyneth): great! thank you!

Kelly Brannock: I like that, SKJ!

Rosemarie: Each different name has a different connotation.

kafi Kumasi: there we are... yay pink!

Val: This feels like a student that cannot leave their draft thesis to start their research. We are so stuck on the name.

kafi Kumasi: oh no, where did it go?

johnmarino: right on--we go beyond teaching...I like to think that the term teacher-librarian encompasses all that goes beyond

carolyng to Brenda Anderson: should we have this conversation? carolyn (beall)

Moderator (Kim Caise) to Gwyneth, Kim Caise, Mike Eisenberg: if a moderator closes the web tour it closes for everyone

Moderator (Gwyneth): Pickywicky before you go pls introduce yourself?

Amanda: My parapros are educators too.... according to DEN star credentials...

joycevalenza to David Loertscher: David, would you like the mic?

Diane Cordell: ALL schools are/should be "information schools"

Moderator (Gwyneth): i'm not turning it off is swear!

Lisa Perez: but what did you do besides change the name?

Julie Scott: I can't place a vote?

Carolyn Foote: IF anyone wants to "debrief" a little after this chat, I've created a chatzy room. To use afterwards: http://www.chatzy.com/ 779212717097

Karen Kliegman: We have 'tech' facilitators at our school that teach keyboarding and smartboard use to teachers, not too much more than that.

Moderator (Gwyneth): great idea CArolyn!

Moderator (Gwyneth): http://doodle.com/ s6ex2i8bw39xh7nw

Cathyjo: @julie scroll to bottom type name check choices save

Ernie Cox: you are opening up a can of worms Mike

kafi Kumasi: no we talk about a knowledge based economy now, not information

Carlene: Sexy! That goodness my Web cam is not on - Trust me that is not an adjective one may use with my current attire

Gretchen: My grad courses were great, but I have learned so much more on the job, from practicing colleagues who live in the trenches day after day than I ever learned in my graduate classes.

Ernie Cox: right @kafi

Julie Scott: Thanks!

Moderator (Gwyneth): and scroll to the right to see all the choices

AliceYucht: Future discussions: we need talking points to present to 1. Administrators. 2. Legislators. 3. Parents and community members. 4. Other related associations (PTA, etc), 5. Student teachers. etc.

Cathyjo: Oh no, now we'll be filtered bc we are sexy

buffyjhamilton: lol

Carolyn Foote:

Diane Cordell: Speak for yourself, Cathy LOL

Ernie Cox: like LEARNING

Gretchen: (so my point was that I don't know that b/c the grad schools call themselves I-Schools that they are on the pulse...)

Carolyn Foote: I think more than even the name, we need a BRANDING SLOGAN that can be grabbed

Pickywicky: but in my district, we have a tech teacher so why would they bother to keep me?

Julie Scott: Yes

Carolyn Foote: that's too wordy!!

buffyjhamilton: too long

Sara: "light up with LIT"

Moderator (Gwyneth): Carolyn you can't help being sexy

buffyjhamilton: lol!

Linda: too long

Kimberly: Poll keeps going off of the screen.

Carolyn Foote: WE NEED TO READ MADE TO STICK

Diane Cordell: Then why include the word library?

Carolyn Foote: lol, gwyneth

Gretchen: We have two other IT people in my school. Who have the primary job of being IT people.

Kimberly: Where can we vote?

joycevalenza: i think we can agree to think

Moderator (Kim Caise): http://doodle.com/ s6ex2i8bw39xh7nw

Judi Moreillon: I can think. I am a librarian!

Carolyn Foote: I think we need to not come from a place of fear.

Ernie Cox: where do those pieces come from - what pedagogy does it reflect, does it connect to our standards?

Cathyjo: Kim scroll to the bottom

Karen Kliegman: I agree with Mike!

Rob Darrow: @ Carolyn - Good idea to read a book or article together?

Moderator (Gwyneth): yes, we NEED to do something to bring ourselves forward

Carolyn Foote: we need to have a slogan, a campaign...

Moderator (Gwyneth): 4 min warning

Carolyn Foote: a national PR effort that is DIFFERENT!

Sara Kelly Johns: I have changed my program and my role every year of my career

Sara: @rob i like that

Angie: gretchen, we also have 2 in our school

Cathyjo: could add that to the Ning carolyn--createa group

Moderator (Gwyneth): thank you mike!!!!!

Karen Kliegman: thanks Mike!

Carolyn Foote: thanks Mike

Rob Darrow: There are other names we should consider other than the ones listed.

KimberlyBrosan: Thanks Mike!

Lisa Layera Brunkan to Mike Eisenberg: mike it's the first one Library and Information Technology right?

Leslie: Thanks Mike!!!!

Sara: thank you!

buffyjhamilton: I disagree. The term "teacher librarian" is not going to save us. We have to save ourselves through action and transparency.

Carolyn Foote: I have set up a chat if anyone wants to debrief or continue this chat for a few more minutes: http://www.chatzy.com/ 779212717097

Frances Harris: Thanks, Mike!

Laurie Conzemius: This was fun - thanks Everyone!

Moderator (Kim Caise) to Gwyneth, Kim Caise, Mike Eisenberg: march 3rd is also read aloud day

Diane Cordell: Very interesting discussion - thanks to all!

buffyjhamilton: Carolyn, is there a pw for the room?

Colet Bartow: NCCE TL Summit - ncce.org March 3 Seattle

AliceYucht: Buffy is right. And we can't wait for AASL to do it for us.

NancyW: @buffy Yes! You are so right!

Judi Moreillon: Thank you, Mike.

Moderator (Kim Caise): march 3rd is also read aloud day

Chad Lehman: I'm not a fan of Teacher Librarian either

Kelly Brannock: @buffy - right on!!

buffyjhamilton: Amen, Alice.

kafi Kumasi: Yes, I hope to continue this convo.

johnmarino: thanks, mike

Carolyn Foote: buffy, no password

Cassandra Barnett: I enjoyed the conversation.

Rosemarie: I vote for Teacher Librarian

Bob F.: This was awesome Mr. E!

buffyjhamilton: OK, thanks

Moderator (Gwyneth): would you all like a transcript of this posted?

Sara Kelly Johns: a stimulating discussion

buffyjhamilton: yes, please

Moderator (Gwyneth): i need to think, too!

Karen Kliegman: yes

Carolyn Foote: very stimulating.

Chad Lehman: Yes, post the transcript

lg.cole: Transcript yes

Diane Cordell: Yes, please Gwyneth!

Gretchen: Yes please, a transcript!

Carolyn Foote: Thanks Mike.

Julie Scott: I agree totally, Mike!

Linda: Yes, Red...transcript please

NancyW: I've been blogging along these lines for CASL http://casl.wordpress.com - 3 posts on change

Ernie Cox: @buffy action and transparency - This is it!

Moderator (Gwyneth): i'll take out the sexy part

KimberlyBrosan: yes please Gwyneth

djacobson: Please do post Gwyneth

Gretchen: Thank you Mike.

Kelly Brannock: please post a transcript

Judi Repman: Thanks! Plenty of food for thought! Or should that be information for thought....

Lynn Warren: yes, please post transcript

buffyjhamilton: Judi

Sara Kelly Johns: we need to brand...we need to promote and market

Diane Cordell: Don't need it Gwyneth - it's redundant!

Moderator (Gwyneth): yes, the Databases are gone!

Karen Kliegman: we are in a crisis - title of the blog to write

Sara Kelly Johns: we need advocates

Carolyn Foote: If anyone wants to discuss for a little bit longer or debrief thoughts, I have created a chat room. No password. After this ends. http://www.chatzy.com/ 779212717097

Ernie Cox to Gwyneth, Kim Caise, Mike Eisenberg: transcript of this - plz to the tlvirtualcage

Rob Darrow: Good to make us all uncomfortable to emerge stronger

Rosemarie: We are in crisis! I agree.

Sara Kelly Johns: @rob...exactly

Moderator (Mike Eisenberg): thank you all....

Kelly Brannock: sound is really breaking up

Ernie Cox: thanks Mike

Carolyn Foote: We will Joyce

Moderator (Mike Eisenberg): need to go get my wife at the airport!

Cathyjo: 86 is FANTASTCI

Julie Scott: Promise!

congerjan: I agree Joyce... POWER Library losses are heartbreaking.

lg.cole: The name change does raise the awareness of misconceptions.

Rosemarie: Thank you.

Carolyn Foote: Thanks Mike

Cathyjo: bye Mike--THX

Lisa Layera Brunkan: Joyce Gwynneth and Mike thank you so much for all you do

AliceYucht: We need to clarify terms: we need to do outreach in order to build advocates who will speak for us. We cannot advocate for ourselves.

MtSallyMB: Thanks for the terrific discussion!

RoccoA: I was called the Director of the Library Media Program

Moderator (Gwyneth): LOL

Amanda: Watch the edchat topics on Twitter. They ARE talking about us, and we need to talk back!!!

Lisa Perez: Thanks Mike and Joyce and Gwyneth and all

Moderator (Gwyneth): http://doodle.com/ s6ex2i8bw39xh7nw

Kimberly: Prof. Kumasi - thanks for the info.

Carolyn Foote: http://www.chatzy.com/ 779212717097

Kelly Brannock: thanks Mike -- I knew immediately where you were going with that Tropicana package!

Ernie Cox: thanks to Lisa for joining us !

Rosemarie: Best wishes, everyone.

Moderator (Gwyneth): Go Ernie!!!

lg.cole: Is EdChat the Twitter name?

Carolyn Foote: Thanks Joyce. (technolibrary on twitter if you can't get in chat)

Ernie Cox: sorry i can't find mic

Val: Tropicanan did not change the name.

Sara: nice point, amanda -- do we have a parallel tag?

Moderator (Gwyneth): bye thanks Mike!!!!

NancyW: Thanks everyone - good thoughts. No one can say that school librarians aren't passionate!

av2learner -Yo: Thanks for great discussion. Would like to re-read chat.

Moderator (Gwyneth): you too!

Pickywicky: thanks, mike

buffyjhamilton: night all!

Lisa Perez: good night!

Karen Kliegman: this was great joyce!

Carolyn Foote: Thanks Joyce!

RobinS: we are being encouraged in our state listserv to write letters to other schools' school boards to enlightening them on what we all do even if we don't agree on our title.

Julie Scott: C-YA

Judi Moreillon: Thanks, Joyce and all.

Amanda: Ohhh parallel tag! We need one!

Moderator (Gwyneth): Night Joyce!

Leslie: Thanks Joyce

Julie: Thanks to all

johnmarino: thanks all--well done!

Bianca Johnson: Thanks

Susan McBurney: Thanks to all.

congerjan: thanks everyone

Sara: yes!!! @amanda

Frances Harris: Thanks Joyce and Gwyneth!

Sara: (it drives me CRAZY!)

Sara Kelly Johns: bye...have work I haveto do for ALA campaign but would love to continue this

Carl Harvey: Thanks to everyone who put this together!

Carolyn Foote: thanks!

Linda: Thank you...great conversation

Colet Bartow: Thanks. Let's keep the conversation going. We'll put out information about the proceedings of the TL Summit in Seattle soon.

Chad Lehman: Thanks everyone, I'll try to jump back in the chatzy room after I put the kids to bed.

kafi Kumasi: how do you get the room free?

Jane Lofton: Thank you everyone!

Diane Cordell 1: Carolyn, it wants a password

Moderator (Kim Caise): will do!

AliceYucht: Good night and go forth, everyone

Carolyn Foote: try library